and so, yes, something like, we'll accept the debt ceiling for as long as you're willing to hold obamacare in abeyance. the president is not going for that. here is what they know, they have to have something on offer, because they got creamed on the tax issue, nothing on offer, no chips in the game. they had extension of tax rates, but they weren't passing anything, sitting around and pounding the table and weren't saying this is what we have. now it's up to john boehner and his team to coax out of this conference, who is very skeptical of him because of the deal he did on the tax rates and they look at him askance and what do you want to do, obamacare, the health care law and other things that might include giving the president a debt ceiling increase until the end of his term if he's willing to agree in big changes in entitlement programs. they've got to come up with something. >> megyn: they have to come up with a game plan. we saw with the fiscal cliff negotiations the end of the year they were divided and boehner couldn't sort of corral his house republicans to be on the same page an